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Welcome!
I’ve added you to the global search at http://symbiostock-search.comTo help you find network partners, you can find other sites by specialty, focus or promoted keywords at
http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=72In addition, any site that adds http://cascoly-images.com/pix to their network will receive active links in reports such as http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=71
steve
3.2.9 / 1.5.1
tried deactivating plugins, activating child theme (w no changes to it), etc
also even before I had updated, the batch editor stopped returning any results for searches — still the case – tried suggestions in another thread for this, but still no response
@Imago Borealis wrote:
Yes, I think I understand what you are saying, cascoly. TBH, though, I admit that I have a hard time understanding the info on your site and even more so deriving any insight or practical value from the data. I just hope that will change with the newest improvements to the system and to the way mining the collected data is done and presented.
which parts don’t you understand? I realize there’s not much explanation provided and I’ve been out of town for most of the last 2 months.
several of the calculated values are tests i’m running to see if there are better ways to sort than just “most used” or “most viewed”; I may move those to separate pages. eg, if someone uses the keyword ‘image’ on all their images, then that gives no value to a user, but if a less used word like ‘polynesia’ appears on 1/3 of a sites images, maybe that site’s results should be more prominently displayed than a site with just 1 or 2 images. right now, there aren’t enough images for this to matter much, but eventually it could help make a better search for the user. (they’d still have all the other search methods, of course)
the keyword summaries may help to make decisions about which keywords to promote:
landscape 50 6115 12266people 44 2156 11844
travel 43 3430 11723
mountain 5 1575 1110landscape is used by 50 sites, has had 6115 views and is used by 12266 images
you might be better off using ‘mountain’ which only has 5 sites, with 1575 views for 1110 images. a more general conclusion might be that more specific keywords are better performers than more general ones, and these lists give some ideas.
there’s more discussion at http://cascoly.com/symbio/faq-keyword-analysis.asp and i’ll be expanding that in response to questions both specific and general
@chromaco wrote:
I think I really don’t understand this. I am pretty sure I am not the only one. Could someone explain a couple of things to me. I understand the need for the information but I don’t understand why you should be able to access it if you aren’t a symbio site owner. Why can’t access to this information be only available through your own sites admin? I also get that the more information collected the better the data set, but how much of a problem can it be if a few sites opt out? In my mind if you opt out you also should not have access to the information. What am I missing?
single sites would only have info on single sites and what we’re trying to look at is the performance of the entire network (something no one has done before)
the choices are to make it available to anyone who cares AND knows about it – just like the symbiocards and the image & keyword info currently available – or else, worst case, someone who wants to do a global search engine would have to get permission from every site every time they wanted to update the global data. ( ie, neither ajt nor I (nor anyone lese) has any secret way to extract any data from a site that isn’t public)
if a few sites opt out, no big deal, but consider what happens if say half the sites opt out: Site A reports it’s sending traffic to sites B, C, D, E and F. if all cooperate, we’ll also see what B, C, D, E & F are sending to other sites and we can then reliably report that site A is sending X amount of traffic out and receiving Y amount back in return. if however, sites D, E and F opt out, then we cant draw any conclusions — we can exclude the data about A sending to those sites, but that decreases the true number of views A is sending.
the intent here isn’t to produce a list of winners or ‘best’ sites, etc (especially since high traffic doesn’t mean high sales); instead it will allow people to see if they are connected to sites that are helping both of them.
MOST IMPORTANTLY — individual site owners don’t have to worry about the details here — especially, ignore those histories Leo posted earlier. it’s raw data most people won’t care about. instead, we’ll have collated data that anyone can have access, and produce reports. we can’t predict what these reports will show – they may turn out like the networking graphs, which show the negative result that there aren’t hubs & clusters forming in the network, as would have been predicted theoretically)
Welcome!
I’ve added you to the global search at http://symbiostock-search.comTo help you find network partners, you can find other sites by specialty, focus or promoted keywords at
http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=72In addition, any site that adds http://cascoly-images.com/pix to their network will receive active links in reports such as http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=71
Also, be sure to edit your profile so that your site appears as part of your signature, making it easy for anyone reading the forum to get to your site
steve
@shazamimages wrote:
@cascoly wrote:
I upgraded a user to author, but when I log in with that id, I get no admin and none of the capabilities author is supposed to have (same for editor)
Not sure what you are asking, but author doesn’t have admin privileges.
See here:
http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities#Capability_vs._Role_Table
understood — but an author has NO privileges I can find —
Author is supposed to be able to:
◾delete_posts
◾delete_published_posts
◾edit_posts
◾edit_published_posts
◾publish_posts
◾read
◾upload_fileswithout an admin ;ist they cant do any of these
I remov ed you from my database as soon as you announced it some months ago — be sure you’ve turned off networking on your symbiostock site though, as there are others who still have network links to you
got your new site entered also — but had to use
the people o your network will have a single row of images when your sit has images matching the keyword. there’s an option you can choose about what to do when your site has no images – I strongy suggest opting to show other sites; images so that users don’t go somewhere else.
also, if only a few of your networked sites show resultys, the search will also display non-networked sites that have the keyword as ‘promoted’; right now, we know that promoted keywords are getting views, but until the search analytics get installed by a reasonable number of people we wont be able to tell how the system is working
@Imago Borealis wrote:
Exactly the question I haven’t any answer for, either. But that’s OK. I can wait for you code wizards to work it all out. I pretty confident that there will be something that will be a plus for me and/or the network as a whole. I just like the possibility to opt out of this in the unlikely event that my confidence proves to be unfounded. I am patient and curious…
similar to the reports we can do now ( http://symbiostock-search.com ) about views from combined keywords and combined promoted keywords – how the reports are used (or ignored) is up to each site owner; eg, I use them to target my promoted keywords – no use having a keyword that no one ever enters — better to replace it with one that describes my images but that I hadn’t thought of
with the analytics we’ll be able to see which sites AND keywords bring the most traffic — might influence your choice of networking partners, rather than guessing (along with other possibilities described earlier)
major point is, like networking, symbiostock supplies data that none of the microagencies will make public
@chromaco wrote:
I realize my last post might have been interpreted the wrong way. Just to be clear I am all for the Analytics. It is foolish for anyone who would like their site to start getting regular sales not to want/use this tool. Information to gauge what is and is not working is hugely valuable and necessary. I would have my site turned on. I just think that there should be an option. Make the default position “on” so someone has to decide to turn it off. Also I think you should only be able to access this information through your own admin and only if you have it turned on. I agree that if you do not participate in the information gathering that you should not have access to the information. If it is tied to the networking than there is an opt out which solves my only issue. However, if it really is tied to the networking than this poll is unnecessary because both options are the same aren’t they?
like the other xml files already providing data, they’re open to everyone to use — allowing access only thru indiv site admins would defeat the purpose of tracking and comparing across all sites.
@lucato wrote:
I’m sorry for my honesty, but IMHO there are other things with high priority to think about and use the time for programing and burning your mind instead of own SYM analytics system or new forums. There is a bunch of WP plug-ins to achieve Analitycs even just a superficial info once I bet nobody will use 100% the data reported. Besides being a huge time developing consuming for you Leo, it can turn the site slow/process I think0)
first, it’s not a huge amount of time from leo — the files exist now, and need only minor, if any tweaks..
bigger point is there AREN’T plugins to do this — symbiostock is unque to WP as a network– we’re talking about network wide stata, not individual site stats
Welcome!
I’ve added you to the global search at http://symbiostock-search.comTo help you find network partners, you can find other sites by specialty, focus or promoted keywords at
http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=72In addition, any site that adds http://cascoly-images.com/pix to their network will receive active links in reports such as http://cascoly.com/symbio/list.asp?list=71
Also, be sure to edit your profile so that your site appears as part of your signature, making it easy for anyone reading the forum to get to your site
steve
@chromaco wrote:
I voted for on/off simply because if there is no opt out the conspiracy theorist will jump all over this small issue and turn it into the end of the world. It is a shame that trust and common sense can’t rule but that does not seem to be the case. Requiring everyone to participate is the type of thing that will explode into some huge unnecessary mess and create more unneeded misinformation and negative energy. Just my two cents.
i’d rather use rational design ideas than cater to the conspiracy theories (one of the major ones has since left symbio network in any case). lets focus on the positive rather than kowtowing to the negative who probably wont join anyway
networking is optional, so if analytics is made art of networking, everyone still has the option, but we eliminate parasites (as opposed to symbiotes) who get the benefits of networking without cooperating
another major reason for using sym rather than smugmug (which I just dropped after several years) is that less than 10% of my smugmug images ever got indexed by google — but with symbiostock about 70% were indexed almost immediately (they still compete against my images in the ms agencies)
